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  Farkel Hits the Bread Line

  by Farkel in

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  i had a very positive experience today which maybe not-so-coincidentally coincided with my recent comments on matthew 25.. it was only my second personal experience with babylon the grape in my entire life.

  my first was when one of my daughters got married in a catholic church over three years ago.

  i actually sat inside the catholic chapel and watched her priest perform the ceremony.

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  Rex B13

  Cygnus,
  Reading your post makes me sad that anyone can be so cynical. You still hate old, Babylon, dontcha'?
  Rex
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  Farkel Hits the Bread Line

  by Farkel in

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  i had a very positive experience today which maybe not-so-coincidentally coincided with my recent comments on matthew 25.. it was only my second personal experience with babylon the grape in my entire life.

  my first was when one of my daughters got married in a catholic church over three years ago.

  i actually sat inside the catholic chapel and watched her priest perform the ceremony.

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  I'm still here, Doug. You're telling people just what I myself have experienced from the giving side of the coin. You know what? What people believe is between them and God...or no god if they prefer. But man, when people give of themselves for the benefit of others, that is the mark of a life filled with love.
  It sounds like they will accept your help gratefully and it makes one feel so good to do things for others who can't repay you!
  Someone sometime will ask you about your spiritual beliefs and I pray they just let the Holy Spirit do His work and they stay out of the way. May God bless you and yours in your time of need.
  Don't let pride stand in the way if you are in need of more help.
  Rex
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  I Said Goodbye

  by Farkel in

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  my father was rushed by ambulance from his rest home to st. marks hospital in salt lake city, utah friday, but i only just heard about it.

  i received a call from the floor nurse and she told me he is not expected to live.

  his lungs are filled fill up with fluid and are continuing to fill u with more fluid: he has pneumonia.

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  Amen, old friend, amen. May your father return to be with God in heaven. May you and your Mom find peace in this moment of sorrow.
  You have our love. We've been praying for you (and your family) in Sunday school.
  Rex
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  Murder?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi kent (and his cadre' of loyal red berets!),.

  a murderer, no, a mass murderer?

  how about churchill, isenhower, montgomery, macarther, patton, bradley, de gaulle, napoleon, king richard i, julius caesar, alexander and so on?.

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  Hi Jay,
  We are the end result of sin breeding sin.
  We are born an object of wrath to God.
  We are all deserving of eternal damnation when we are aware of sin and do so willingly. (Romans 3.23; 6.23) (Read Romans!)
  He is Holy and perfect. He is also merciful and just.
  He sent His son to die and bear the sins of the world. He resurected His son, transforming His physical body to a spiritual body.
  We have a choice yet God calls out only those who will accept His call, that is called 'election'. He knows ahead of time who will respond and so those ones are born into an eventual situation where they will accept His offer of grace.
  That's why all of the arguments saying "what about so and so born in this country where no Christians are.." is a moot point. It also doesn't matter if one race of man seems to have more Christians than another, there is no race question in eternity. We are all born into the human race and we are one species...
  Rex
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  Going on the OFFENSIVE with relatives....

  by LDH in

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  well, i just replied to reagan in another thread, and wanted to share my latest thoughts on family.

  anyone please tell me if you have used this tactic successfully.. i am no longer content to wait to get bashed with witty little jw-isms.

  nope.

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  Man, that post did me in. I am almost in tears after reading it. I have a niece that I have never seen in her two years of life and my brother and his family live about a mile from me.
  I am not even df but I have been very vocal to anyone who asks me about religion. I am an 'apostate born again' and they can't hear my scriptural refutation of their wacky, nonsense doctrine.
  Wow.
  May God give the real apostates in Brooklyn the justice they deserve.
  Rex
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  Murder?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi kent (and his cadre' of loyal red berets!),.

  a murderer, no, a mass murderer?

  how about churchill, isenhower, montgomery, macarther, patton, bradley, de gaulle, napoleon, king richard i, julius caesar, alexander and so on?.

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  Kent Baby,
  ALL true Christians have God living in them, working through them, that is why their good works show evidence of their salvation. Charities run by Christians are literally 'God working to ease pain and suffering', through HIS people.
  Remember that the next time someone you know is a Christian does something for you and asks nothing in return. Even when we pass the collection plate we offer those who need it to take and not give!
  Why do you think the Watchtower always slanders this act of giving for the benefit of all? So they themselves can collect ALL OF IT in their boxes at the front of the hall!
  Yakki Da!
  Rex
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  Murder?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi kent (and his cadre' of loyal red berets!),.

  a murderer, no, a mass murderer?

  how about churchill, isenhower, montgomery, macarther, patton, bradley, de gaulle, napoleon, king richard i, julius caesar, alexander and so on?.

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  Rex, allow me to quote you.
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  We were given a perfect world. We blew it.

  
  I was not there, so why should I pay for somebody else's sin?

  Have you NOT sinned, Jay?

  >As I see it God must like to see people die or at least want people to die at some point. Why not let Adam and Eve die and every body else live forever if that is want God wanted?

  Did He want automatons or free will beings who choose to love Him for Himself? Does God dismiss His holiness and allow repetition of the original sin time and again? Do you honestly think that you or I would have done any better than our original parents?
  That's my speculation of course. Great men and small have all asked these type of questions. We only have the Bible as a book that even comes close to answering any of these questions and mystery remains.
  You won't find anything close in the Koran, the book of Mormon, the Vishnu. You also won't find a verifiable saviour who lived, died and rose again.
  Faith is believing God even when he doesn't provide ALL of the answers for us. You and I have the opportunity to become adopted sons of God, through the cross that bridges the gap between us and God in all His glory.

  >"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

  I love that quote.
  Rex
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  Murder?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi kent (and his cadre' of loyal red berets!),.

  a murderer, no, a mass murderer?

  how about churchill, isenhower, montgomery, macarther, patton, bradley, de gaulle, napoleon, king richard i, julius caesar, alexander and so on?.

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  Please don't patronize me, James. Maybe you don't even realize you are doing so. You sometimes act like your 'playing for the crowd' and that is pretty shallow (we all do that! ;-)).
  I'm good at doing that too sometimes.
  Concerning those ones discussing my post at your home (I hope it was a good discussions with lots of views). It's a given that among unbelievers you will agree that the gospel is foolish or even repulsive.

  >but to believe that everyone who doesn't share your belief system will die or somehow thier life is not as complete as yours in my view is sad.

  We will all die. You live a life as complete as mine. I am no better than you. I am just forgiven. You have not asked for what God is giving free, I have. James, you need to see that the soul IS man, not this physical shell.

  >For me to assume that a persons life is only complete if they believe as me is truly sad.

  Your falling back into JWism here. You do not understand REAL Christianity and attitudes among some who profess to be Christian only shows their fleshly nature. You also are not going to find a sinless Christian, that's why even some of the most loyal and devout fall to fleshly desires. You see, that's what JW-ism really misses the boat on. NONE are any better than another, NO organization is 'clean and pure', all are corrupted by our very nature.

  >I fully understand your belief system-- IT REQUIRES that you look down on others- you have no choice -that is one of the requirements of most belief systems in fact.

  Read the first few chapters of Romans and you will that you are totally wrong. I ain't going to quote it for you. Just read it in some real Bible and not the NWT. Paul takes everyone down to the same level and totally devestates the arrogance of the Jews...and the gentiles!
  Our Lord tells us that there is but one way to redemption. We believe Him and we tell others that if we are faithful and straightforward. However, carrying out the Great Commision (Mat. 28.18-20) is not any ways 'looking down', for we know that without grace we are all in the same boat (Eph. 2.8,9).
  You don't understand 'my belief system', you understand a 'straw man' of my belief system. That's just like when JWs say, 'trinitarians worship three gods'.
  You see, James, none of us ARE good. We compare ourselves to others and that is not valid. God is Holy. His son is perfect and He is our comparison. We don't every become perfect, but claiming Christ as a propitiation for our sins makes us sinless in God's eyes. It is only in Him that we are made perfect.

  >Like i said i thank you for your post

  Yes, and thank you for allowing me to share the gospel. It will reach someone's heart out there in 'lurker land'. Do you know one of the most frustrating things for authorities who try to stop the spread of the gospel?
  Even the jailers and the executioners of the Christians get 'infected with the gospel'!
  Later,

  Rex
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  Murder?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi kent (and his cadre' of loyal red berets!),.

  a murderer, no, a mass murderer?

  how about churchill, isenhower, montgomery, macarther, patton, bradley, de gaulle, napoleon, king richard i, julius caesar, alexander and so on?.

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  Some are murderers, some aren't? That's your answer? LOL
  C'mon 1, where is your reasoning now? Can't you see that all are leaders who made decisions?
  Who is responsible for the deaths of millions, Hirohito and Hitler (and their people) or FDR and Churchill? My analogy is the closest one to the Amalekite question and you refuse to admit it or deal with it, as usual. You like pointed questions but don't like them turned on you.

  If you can rest with that, that's ok. I understand. You have to stick to your new world view to keep peace of mind....whether it's fantasy or not.

  >another illustration for you- 23 kids are locked up in a day care, a fire starts- no one has a key but Frank, he merely stands there while everyone else is trying to break windows and knock down doors
  did frank start the fire - no
  did frank try to stop anyone from helping the kids- no
  but who in that town upon learning that old Frank had the only set of keys to open the door and he didn't

  Ah, but old Frank DID open a door!
  It's called the 'cross', the messiah, God taking on flesh so that all who are called can take on eternal life in heaven instead of damnation in hell. We have all that we need to understand and make our decision right now. You refuse to see it, so be it.

  >well that is the same position your god is in according to your beleif system- for a few 1000yrs he has stood by and watch the kids burn up as it were- while others are running around trying to help
  FEED THE CHILDREN, CANCER RESEARCH, SETTING UP OLD FOLKS HOMES, HELPING THE RETARDED, ETC and yet your god is suppose to have the key in his pocket that can release all these folks from their pain and suffering yet he chills out and drinks Lipton Iced Tea on the front porch instead

  The world and its conditions are a result of mankind's separation from God. There is hope and your analogy is again in error. Who do you think is behind; FEED THE CHILDREN, CANCER RESEARCH, OLD FOLKS HOMES, HELPING THE RETARDED, ETC.? Christians in huge numbers.
  The key is Jesus Christ and He is knocking on YOUR door right now!

  NIV Revelation 3:20-21
  20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
  21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

  NIV Romans 3:22-24
  22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
  23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
  24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

  So, all are sinners and fall short of God's glory, which means eternal separation from Him. But just what is this grace, justification and redemption?

  NIV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

  Death is usually pictured as hell or eternal separation from God. It is not just a physical death as some would have you believe. How is it that we recieve this gift of eternal life?

  NIV Romans 10:9-10
  9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
  10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

  Is this really all that it takes to gain eternal life?

  NIV John 3:15-17
  15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
  16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
  17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

  Do we really believe on Christ if we dismiss Him as some arch-angel who is less than God? Think about it. Did you know that the reason that believers were called 'Christians' is because they WORSHIP Christ as God?
  Is Jesus really the only way to life?

  NIV John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

  Anyone can gain salvation, all they have to do is ask Jesus with heartfelt prayer!

  NIV Revelation 3:20
  20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

  Can we be saved by our own works, even in some future era as some speculate?

  NIV Titus 3:5-7
  5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth (being 'born again' -John 3.3, or as a 'new creation' )and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
  6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,
  7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

  NIV Ephesians 2:4-10
  4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
  5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead (eternally dead and separated from God!) in transgressions--it is by grace (undeserved kindness) you have been saved.
  6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
  7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
  8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves (NOT from our own works!), it is the gift of God--
  9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
  10 For we are God's workmanship, (a new creation) created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance (predestined) for us to do.

  Our good works are an evidence of our faith and our salvation, they do not gain us salvation as that is by grace! How rich and merciful is our God? Remember the thief on the cross?

  41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
  42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. "
  43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

  Here is another proof that the soul is immortal, our Lord clearly promised this man 'paradise' (Hebrew understanding of 'heaven' or the afterlife) on that very day that he died! This is not some future event and it is not resurrection (adding the spiritual body to our bodiless souls).

  sorry charlie
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  Murder?

  by Rex B13 in

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  hi kent (and his cadre' of loyal red berets!),.

  a murderer, no, a mass murderer?

  how about churchill, isenhower, montgomery, macarther, patton, bradley, de gaulle, napoleon, king richard i, julius caesar, alexander and so on?.

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  Rex B13

  You ask a question only God can answer.
  We were given a perfect world.
  We blew it.
  Why create individual beings with 'free will' who will end up as depraved as we are? I don't know and no one else does.
  That is not an argument against the existence of God. I don't honestly believe that any of you who profess agnosticism or atheism have given REAL Christianity a chance.
  We arrogantly think that our own logic and reasoning can lead us to understand the infinite. We still believe the slander about Christinaity that the Borg spews.
  BTW, you ignored a lot of my arguments to spout your own. Try addressing what I wrote instead of hijacking the thread.
  Later,
  Rex